Chairperson, I am afraid that is a very challenging question. This issue has been with us almost since 1995, if I may say so. To expect that that R64 billion debt will dissipate over time is extremely difficult to entertain, frankly. It is a question of reducing the debt.
Also, we must recognise that some of the departments and some of the debtors of municipalities, like schools, clinics and the like, just don't have the resources. This too is an issue that will be addressed by the summit I referred to, hon member.
It is not something that we can resolve overnight. What we can seek to do over time is to reduce the debt. Maybe - I am speaking through my hat, as it were, if there is such an expression - we should seek to have a target, maybe 10% or so, over the next few years. Expecting that the target will dissipate or disappear, or that the debt will evaporate, is a broader issue of the intergovernmental fiscal system.