Thank you, Chairperson, and thank you, hon Members of Parliament, with ... [Interjections.]
Ngiyeza kuwe Gatsheni, linda nje kancane. [I will come to you, Gatsheni, wait a minute.]
I am glad you are back. I was getting worried because you raise issues all the time, then you disappear. I am glad that you are here. [Interjections.]
The hon member Groenewald raised an issue about there not being training for police management. Mind you, I am talking about management. I am not talking about operations. I'm talking about management - senior management. I don't know whether you checked up on the background of the National Commissioner before his appointment in terms of training. I honestly think that you should know and understand that we did not just go to the veldt and pick someone. No, listen to me. I listened to you, do not panic. Just listen. That was the first issue.
If an applicant says that their application has disappeared - is not in the firearms registry: the simple thing you should do is direct them to us. In fact, you must always inform them that you are not a Minister yet - in your other life maybe - but always direct them to the Minister. What is the use of people complaining to you when you are not going to do anything? You know that when Members of Parliament raise issues, we take them up, as we have done in the past. So please do just that. [Interjections.] No, listen. Listen! Chair, please tell the hon member to listen; he panics a lot. Just listen. [Laughter.]
I have said that the civil claims, hon member, are worrying. I think we share that with you. It is a mixed bag because in some instances some of these claims come to naught; some are genuine and others are not. That is why we also emphasise, from the legislative point of view, that the civilian oversight structures have to be strengthened. We agree with you on that point.
Bab' uNdlovu, Gatsheni, Boya benyathi, hhayi ngicabanga ukuthi kulo mbuzo owubuzile usuke washo igama elibi kakhulu uma uthi 'umvundla ziyowunqanda phambili'.