Absolute rubbish! [Interjections.] They have no role to play in the improvement of the lives of the Defence Force. They have no role whatsoever, except to denigrate our soldiers. That is what they stand for.
As for the hon Maynier, I don't know why I still call him "honourable," but that is the protocol. [Interjections.] Where were you when we fought, now that you stand there? Where were you when we fought against oppression? Think back to when the former Chief of the Defence Force was ambushed in Angola. You were in the Defence Force, right in the trenches of the oppressor, and what do you do? You stand up and you grandstand in Parliament and dare to call one of us ...