Regarding the question on SAWonEng, the Committee was told it was similar to the mining sector where the engineering sector seemed to be a man's environment. Denel took it upon itself to look at enticing female learners into the engineering field. Denel went to institutions for higher learning and started working with students who were interested in the sector. Denel found that women were discouraged because they thought engineering was too mechanical and "dirty". The SAWonEng programmes were started two years ago and involved women at universities so that they could be attracted to the sector.