In addition to the deprivation of engineers in the past, it was also said by law in this country that blacks could not own factories. And, in fact, if you were there with a shop, that shop was not supposed to employ people. It was the law that blacks were not allowed to employ wage earners and salary earners.
So you can imagine: We are coming from a tradition where the law was making people unproductive, because they were not allowed to be engineers and own their own factories. Secondly, these people could not employ other people. You were supposed to run your shop both in the rural and urban areas with your next of kin: either with your children, cousins ... [Applause.]