I don't think he's responding to that. I thought perhaps he would assist and clarify, but we will take it outside. The issue that I think we should look at is the importance of making sure that as we talk about access, there are a number of issues that members have raised.
There are a number of issues that are fundamental to making sure that access to tertiary institutions is open so that all people, old and young, can benefit. We do not sit here and only speak for a particular group. We do not sit here as Members of Parliament and not make sure the ...