Madam Deputy Speaker, on the issue of provincial departments, I must say that the bag is varied and mixed. Mpumalanga, for example, has already signed the delivery agreement and performance agreement between the MEC and all municipalities in Mpumalanga - between the MEC, the mayors and also the municipal managers. That tells you what happens, but it is not the same in other provinces.
Therefore, provinces play a supporting role in these issues because they are supposed to be driven by them at that level. Our task at a national level is to give support to provinces and to municipalities.
In relation to co-operation of these departments, particularly the Department of Public Works, with the payment of municipalities, I must say that it is still a challenge. Municipalities are being owed by provincial governments and national government, particularly the departments that are involved.
What we are finalising, which I hope will be finalised before the end of this month, is to disaggregate the debt. We want to establish who owes who, so that we can ask provincial departments, provincial government, national departments, and national government to pay. You cannot afford to say you are supporting yourselves as government through municipalities and undermine yourself at the same time by not paying the bills that are supposed to be paid to municipalities. Therefore, the situation of payments is still a big challenge. Thank you.