Deputy Chair, Mr Sinclair is comparing apples and oranges, in the sense that there is not a single provincial government and very few municipalities - and far between - that have taken conscious decisions to establish and create co- operatives. The only province that did that on a limited scale was KwaZulu- Natal. Now, you can't come here and say that this thing has failed. Who has attempted it? Is it government?
The department has taken a conscious decision, in terms of the Local Government Turnaround Strategy, that, for the employment of the masses of South Africans, so that they are part of the economic activity, we'll take this route. We'll utilise all the resources that there are. What we are talking about when we speak of the private sector is the fact that it is part of the resources that are available in a ward, because every institution and business is within a ward. Those are a part of the resources that will be utilised to ensure that we are going to move forward. Therefore, from our point of view, we believe that that is the route to take, and we are going to succeed, working together.
There'll be a lot of challenges. We've studied the issue of the 12% success rate in regard to co-operatives, and so on, but we understand the mitigating circumstances and reasons for that. That is why we are saying that, despite all that, this is the best route. I mean, if you go to many other countries in the world, such as Italy, their economies are based on co-operatives, where you ensure that you get economies of scale in whatever you are doing. From our point of view, Mr Sinclair, that's what we must do. Observe us - we have not implemented it before, but we are going to do it. Thank you very much.