Let me rather speak in my mother tongue. Let me speak in my mother language so that you can understand. No, I am not saying that every time that it's done we must pay for it. However, Mr Groenewald, we must accept that all these people who we are talking about, at some point in their lives, are going to re-enter society.
If we adopt the attitude that you are adopting, of being harsh to them, then all we are achieving is to see them return to our facilities as hardened criminals, and that's the offset that we must balance. I am arguing that we have them as a captive audience at the facilities.
Our focus should be rehabilitating them because within the next couple of years they are going to re-enter society. We should rather have them rehabilitated than have them the other way where they are hardened. That's all I'm saying. I am not arguing and am not going take another question - I am not! No, no, I'm not! We'll do it off the record. All I am saying is I can't agree that it must be retributive. That's all I am saying. [Interjections.] Thank you, sir. Let us agree.
Consequently, Minister, the committee and the ANC think that the department must urgently - and it was raised by others - investigate the causes of this action with the view of identifying those that led it, reclassifying those that led it, and sending them to facilities that are more appropriate. That's the first action that I think we should take speedily.
Lastly, Minister, we think, and we have raised it earlier, that both the Ministry and the department must intervene with the aim of strengthening the management at Kimberley, so that similar instances or occurrences never take place in the future. And it's only with the strengthening of the facility in terms of the management of that facility that we could be ensured that this type of matter doesn't reoccur. Thank you very much, Minister. Thank you, Deputy Speaker.
Debate concluded.