Madam Deputy Speaker, the ANC supports Vote No 23. We do so informed by an understanding that the principle of separation of powers is the inimitable cornerstone of our constitutional democracy.
Whilst the legislature, the executive and the judiciary are independent of each other, they constitute three legs of one pot, making them interdependent organs of one body. We therefore support the submissions of strategic plans to the legislature, not for approval by us, but in order to empower us to know what the budgets are financing so that we can exercise effective oversight.
In exercising this oversight, the legislature will be well advised not to descend into the arena of policy implementation and operations as this resorts in the exclusive domain of the executive. For instance, as the legislature sitting here, we cannot reconstitute ourselves as the high court of Parliament as happened previously. Otherwise we will be usurping the power of the judiciary.
Similarly, in exercising its oversight role within this legislature, the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, Scopa, has to do so having consulted with the relevant departments; otherwise Scopa's actions would constitute encroachments onto the functions of other committees. The ANC supports the Budget Vote. Thank you. [Applause.]
Division demanded.
The House divided:
AYES - 216: Abram, S; Adams, P E; Alberts, A D; Baloyi, M R; Bam- Mugwanya, V; Bapela, K O; Bhengu, N R; Bhengu, P; Bikani, F C; Bogopane- Zulu, H I; Booi, M S; Borman, G M; Boshigo, D F; Botha, Y R; Burgess, C V; Buthelezi, M G; Cebekhulu, R N; Chauke, H P; Chikunga, L S; Chohan, F I; Coleman, E M; Cronin, J P; Cwele, S C; De Lille, P; Diale, L N; Dlakude , D E; Dlamini, B O; Dlamini-Zuma, N C; Dlodlo, A; Doidge, G Q M; Dubazana, Z S; Dube, M C; Dudley, C; Dunjwa, M L; Fihla, N B; Fransman, M L; Frolick, C T; Gasebonwe, T M A; Gelderblom, J P; Gigaba, K M N; Gina, N; Godongwana, E; Gololo, C L; Gona, M F; Groenewald, P J; Gumede, D M; Gxowa, N B; Hajaig, F; Hogan, B A; Huang, S-B; Jacobus, L; Jeffery, J H; Joemat-Pettersson, T M; Johnson, M; Kekana, C D; Kenye, T E; Khoarai, L P; Kholwane, S E; Khumalo, F E; Khunou, N P; Komphela, B M; Koornhof, G W; Kota-Fredericks, Z A; Kubayi, M T; Landers, L T; Lekgetho, G; Line, H; Lishivha, T E; Luyenge, Z; Maake, J J; Mabasa, X; Mabedla, N R; Mabuza, M C; MacKenzie, G D; Madlala, N M; Mafolo, M V; Magagula, V V; Magama, H T; Magau, K R; Magazi, M N; Magwanishe, G; Mahlangu-Nkabinde, G L; Makhuba, H N; Makhubela-Mashele, L S; Makhubele, Z S; Makwetla, S P; Malgas, H H; Maluleka, H P; Manamela, K B; Manana, M C; Mandela, Z M D; Manganye, J; Manuel, T A; Mapisa-Nqakula, N N; Martins, B A D; Mashigo, R M; Mashishi, A C; Masilo, J M; Masutha, T M; Mataboge, D K; Mathebe, D H; Mathebe, P M; Mathibela, N F; Matshoba, J M; Maunye, M M; Mavunda, D W; Maziya, A M; Mc Gluwa, J J; Mdakane, M R; Mdladlana, M M S; Mentor, M P; Meshoe, K R J; Mgabadeli, H C; Mjobo, L N; Mkhulusi, N N P; Mlambo, E M; Mlangeni, A; Mmusi, S G; Mnisi, N A; Mohale, M C; Mokoena, A D; Molebatsi, M A; Molewa, B E E; Moloi-Moropa, J C; Morutoa, M R; Moss, L N; Motimele, M S; Motshekga, M A; Motshekga, M S; Mpontshane, A M; Msweli, H S; Mthethwa, E M; Mthethwa, E N; Mtshali, E; Mulder, C P; Mushwana, F F; Muthambi, A F; Nchabeleng, M E; Ndabandaba, L B G; Ndabeni, S T; Ndebele, J S; Ndlovu, V B; Nelson, W J; Newhoudt-Druchen, W S; Ngcengwane, N D; Ngcobo, B T; Ngcobo, E N N; Ngele, N J; Ngwenya, W; Ngwenya-Mabila, P C; Nhlengethwa, D G; Njobe, M A A; Nkwinti, G E; November, N T; Ntapane, S Z; Ntuli, Z C; Nyalungu, R E; Nyanda, M F; Nyekemba, E; Oliphant, G G; Oosthuizen, G C; Pandor, G N M; Petersen-Maduna, P; Phaahla, M J; Phaliso, M N; Pilusa- Mosoane, M E; Radebe, B A; Radebe, G S; Radebe, J T; Ramatlhodi, N A; Rantsolase, M A; Saal, G; Scheemann, G D; Segale-Diswai, M J; Selau, G J; Sexwale, T M G; Shiceka, S; Sibanyoni, J B; Sibhida, N N; Sisulu, M V; Sithole, K P; Sithole, S C N; Sizani, P S; Skosana, J J; Smith, V G; Snell, G T; Sogoni, E M; Sonjica, B P; Sonto, M R; Sosibo, J E; Sotyu, M M; Suka, L; Sulliman, E M; Sunduza, T B; Surty, M E; Thabethe, E; Thobejane, S G; Thomson, B; Tinto, B; Tsebe, S R; Tseke, G K; Tsenoli, S L; Tshivhase, T J; Tshwete, P; Tsotetsi, D R; Turok, B; Twala, N M; Vadi, I; Van der Merwe, S C; Van Rooyen, D D; Van Wyk, A; Xaba, P P; Yengeni, L E; Zikalala, C N Z; Zondi, K M; Zulu, B Z.
NOES - 53: Boinamo, G G; Bosman, L L; Coetzee, T W; Davidson, I O; De Freitas, M S F; Du Toit, N D; Duncan, P C; Ellis, M J; Farrow, S B; Fritz, A T; George, D T; James, W G; Kalyan, S V; Kloppers-Lourens, J C; Kohler-Barnard, D; Kopane, S P; Lamoela, H; Lee, T D; Lorimer, J R B; Lotriet, A; Louw, A; Lovemore, A T; Marais, E J; Marais, S J F; Masango, S J; Maynier, D J; Mazibuko, L D; Michael, N W A; Mokgalapa, S; More, E; Morgan, G R; Motau, S C; Mubu, K S; Ollis, I M; Rabie, P J; Rabotapi, M W; Robinson, D; Ross, D; Schmidt, H C; Selfe, J; Shinn, M R; Smiles, D C; Steyn, A; Steyn, A C; Swart, M; Swathe, M M; Van Dalen, P; Van der Linde, J J; Van der Walt, D; Van Dyk, S M; Van Schalkwyk, H C; Waters, M; Wenger, M.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 24 - Police - put.
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