Thank you. I was hoping, Chair, that you would throw her out, but maybe she does add to the debate as well. Yes, the point I am making is we need to be careful about expressing preferences as political parties for candidates. The JSC is there. Again, it and the composition thereof are quite clearly set out in the Constitution. I think everybody supported it.
Just for those who think that it is an ANC structure, it is made up as follows: the Chief Justice, the President of the Supreme Court of Appeal, one judge president designated by the judge presidents, and the Minister. Then, two practising advocates are nominated from within the advocates' profession to represent that profession. They are not ANC nominees. There are two practising attorneys nominated from within that profession - not ANC nominees, presumably - one teacher of law, six persons from the National Assembly, three of whom have to be from the opposition, and four from the NCOP. Four are designated by the President, presumably not because of their ANC membership, and then, when considering matters relating to a specific high court, the judge president of that court, and the Premier. That brings you to a total of 25.
If you do the maths, you get to eight ANC members if you include the Minister. You get nine, I suppose, if it is a province where an ANC member is the Premier. However, this is not the case in the Western Cape, which was considering the appointments for judges to the Western Cape.
So, again, to say that there is an ANC bloc - I mean, eight ANC members out of 25 - is really not fair and not correct. I think it would be good if hon members could read the Constitution when it comes to the composition of the JSC. We should remember the process that was followed before, but hon Smuts, I do not know whether you said anything to P W Botha about a problem with his appointment of judges. It is just interesting, however, to see the born-again democrats who have problems with the appointments of judges. [Laughter.] [Interjections.]