Thank you, Chairperson. Hon Harris, let me tell you. Go to Gugulethu now. I will just take you to three streets to meet the people there so that you can understand better. Those are indigent people.
I also want to suggest that - like it was ordered - when we go to the public institutions we must be able to identify the civil servants. We must have a way of reporting them because they continue to embarrass government.
In conclusion, let me respond to hon Bekker. Hon Bekker, you know that municipal employees are not represented in this debate. That is why we are canvassing for one Public Service so that they can be part of what we are saying. I also want to say I'm so shocked and amused by your inability, hon Bekker, to differentiate between Minister Shiceka and Minister Baloyi. Everything you said here is exactly what you said two Fridays ago - every single word. Maybe the DA has run out of words. Furthermore, it is also so because this merger between the DA and the ID is nothing but a means of ensuring the exclusion of Africans, particularly in the Western Cape.
Finally, I also want to remind hon Bekker - he knows very well - that his leader, Madam Helen Zille, is nothing else but a woman who is supposed to be a champion of women's programmes. I can assure you that if one looks at our statements here in the Western Cape, nothing speaks about anything. I also want to tell hon members, particularly hon Harris, that we still live in a city that is not ready to transform, that will never transform, if one looks at Cape Town.
Ms E C van LINGEN: Chairperson, on a point of order. I'm asking for clarity on a point of order. A while ago I had a situation where Helen Zille, who, as a premier, is a member of this House, was discredited and a ruling in the Joint Sitting was made wherein the person who insulted the premier had to apologise. On the same basis I am asking for clarity because to me this is a point of order when someone is insulting a member of this House.