You had your chance; I'm not going to answer that. Let's have a debate outside. No, no, no, you are eating into my time. [Interjections.] You! You are now busy ridiculing Julius. You are worse than Julius! Yes, you are! You are worse! [Interjections.]
Hon members, on the issue of involvement of the state in mining: There's nothing amiss. There is nothing wrong. In any country there are parties where companies are involved in economic activities. What is key ... [Interjections.]