I just want to say that, after all of these disruptions, this thing has been running. I hope that it was stopped. [Interjections.] I have only a few minutes.
Let me first start with my comrade, hon Niekie van den Berg. I wasn't going to comment on any of the opposition, but I have to comment on you. Jy weet, ou Niekie, wanneer jy behep is met ideologie, wanneer jy daaroor praat en dit op die manier doen wat jy dit gedoen het, lyk dit lelik, man. [Gelag.] Jy lyk soos een van daardie ou Ministers uit die apartheidera. Vir hulle ideologie was die ding van kommunisme en sosialisme belangrik. Wanneer jy so praat oor ideologie, en jy probeer dit demoniseer ... (Translation of Afrikaans paragraph follows.)
[You know, Niekie, whenever you become obsessed with ideology, whenever you are speaking about it and you are doing it in the manner that you have done, it looks rather dreadful. [Laughter.] You look like one of those former Ministers from the apartheid era. Communism and socialism were central to their ideology. When you speak about ideology in that manner and you attempt to demonise it ...]
... that is exactly what the apartheid government did against black people in this country and against democrats in this country. It was to try and demonise people and put them in boxes on the basis of the ideology they may believe in. Just understand this. What do you think your party does? Do you think your party is not driven by an ideology? Of course it is. It's a terrible ideology. [Laughter.] It is conservative, it is staid, and it is very unattractive to most people. [Interjections.] To most people, it is unattractive. [Applause.] However, the point is that a party is driven by ideology, and if you go to any country in this world, it is driven by ideology. What is this old "foefie" debate of yours between philosophy and ideology? The problem is when you do these things, you sound like an apartheid Minister with "rooi gevaar" [red threat] and "swart gevaar" [black threat]. Leave it! Stop it! Don't do those things. [Applause.]
I also want to say that I'm absolutely stunned that we got through a whole debate without mentioning Julius Malema. I must say I am amazed, and I really thank the opposition for that. [Interjections.] We're not talking to you, man. Just keep quiet! [Laughter.] I want to thank the opposition for at least keeping the content at a high level.
One of the issues I wanted to raise is that of - and I think hon Mabuza touched on it ...
HON MEMBERS: Mazibuko!