He has denied ... Hang on, please. Hang on. He denied that he said the member was telling a lie. I don't know whether you want us to check the Hansard and, perhaps, give a ruling thereafter. Help me, help me, help me. What do you want me to do? Check the Hansard?
Hon members, I'm advised that I should ask once more that the person who accused Mr Oriani-Ambrosini of telling a lie - if he did do so - politely withdraw. We don't want to have to check the Hansard, etc, etc.