Chairperson, my response to the question by the hon member is that I'm not aware of us not being able to optimally use dialysis machines when they are available. The biggest problem we face is the space for dialysis itself. If there could be space and machines, I don't think the skill to dialyse is so difficult that we actually need the private sector to help. The manner in which the private sector can help is to offer their facilities at a reasonable price to help the public. At the prices they are charging now, it might not be very easy to do dialysis for a large number of people.