Chair, it is rather strange that this kind of debate about the role of the state is now being internationally recognised. In the Financial Times of a week ago, the Prime Minister of France had the following to say:
The crisis has modified Europe's ideological landscape ... even the British government, once firm proponents of liberal, free-market economic policies, had accepted that opening up markets was not sufficient and that more state intervention and investment was now needed.
You can see from that comment that it is not only in South Africa that our government ... [Interjections.] Somebody here is "Baracking" me. I will come back to you. Just a little louder, please. So, what we are saying is this: while the DA and the hecklers seem to think that the ANC has embarked on some reckless procedure, reckless policy ... [Interjections.] Did you hear that? That's what they think. But you see, the Prime Minister of France doesn't think that. [Interjections.] On the contrary, he thinks that the model that you espouse - let me read it again: "... free-market economic policies and the opening up of markets is not sufficient and that more state intervention and investment was now needed". More state intervention is needed. [Interjections.] Chair, I will need more time if these fellows are going to waste my time.