Chair, they are taking my time and they are also irritating me. But, I do not speak in irritation; I speak in a sense of goodwill, especially as Mr Trollip is here and I want him to hear what I'm saying.
Let me make a last point for you, Mr Trollip. Look at the latest Reserve Bank quarterly report and you'll find a table on real gross fixed capital formation, GFCF. The rate growth of that in 2008 is as follows: the private sector real fixed capital formation contributed a rate of 6,5%; the public corporations - that's the state, the developmental state we are talking about - contributed 30,5%. General government contributed 9,7%.
The case is made and I'm sure I've won the debate! Thank you. [Applause.] [Interjections.]