I could see hon Odendaal was a bit more mature in accepting that there is a debate that is taking place.
Fourthly, I think that a developmental state is also a learning organisation; that it understands that it needs an instrument such as Palama, the Public Administration Leadership and Management Academy, which would be able to keep it at the cutting edge of new knowledge and best practice all the time. However, Palama must understand that training and learning is not at the behest of the employee simply for what advances the employee's career, but what advances the outcomes and objectives of the developmental state. And so, the tail must not wag the dog. And I'm not calling hon Dreyer or anyone else here a dog. [Laughter.]
The fifth point is that a developmental state is modern and technologically sussed. It stays at the cutting edge of particularly what is available in ICT. I think, in understanding its mandate, Sita may have to understand that it needs to provide the state with an ICT capacity that makes the state efficient and modern; it should bridge the state and its citizens with an e-governance capacity that allows us to transact between government and citizens; and more importantly, it lays the basis for an ICT society that our entire society and economy shift towards that.
Lastly, whether some of us like it or not, a developmental state is also representative, both in terms of who it serves and who serves. You cannot have an exclusive public service. You also cannot have a public service that reserves management capabilities for some, and menial capabilities for others, even if the numbers gel at the end of the day.
We agree that a developmental state must be unimpeachable in terms of its cleanliness. It should be corruption-free, fraud-free, and all of those kind of things. But then it also requires, as has been mentioned already, that what demands we make on the Public Service, we must also make on the provider of goods. Those who procure for government must also be bribe-free and be free of paying bribes at the same time.
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