No, not only that - the other Minister was here and responded to questions, but still the DA abstains. So it's not like that. I think it is the choice of parties to abstain. Can we move on?
Now I hear, hon member, what you say about categories, but the issue is that if people want to abstain, even though they are not supposed to abstain in a vote, they want to record their abstention without calling for a division to vote. So, I don't think that is a problem as such. This is just like when members of different parties make a statement in that they object to the budget, even when the Minister is here. I think then they must be allowed to do that. [Interjections.]
Hon member, do you have ... What?