Mr Speaker, let me first respond to the hon Botha, although I think he is no longer in the House. [Interjections.] I want to join with him and everybody else who condemns the behaviour of the thugs who looted shops, and especially the stalls of informal traders, in the City of Cape Town yesterday. Nobody should ever support that, and I think it's very important that all of us together as parliamentarians speak out against that in the interests of democracy. [Applause.]