Chairperson, I'd like to respond to two statements: The one made by the hon Rajbally and the one by hon Rabinowitz - but I think that was partly covered by the Minister in the Presidency as well.
Firstly, at no point did this government say that nutrition is the substitute for antiretroviral treatment. I think as any good doctor - and there are some good doctors here in the House with us - would tell us, even if you take a Panado for a headache, you must have something in your stomach. That is all the government is saying: You need good nutrition if you want to go on ARVs. It's a very potent drug and the medical doctors here will tell us that it is a potent drug, and you cannot have it on an empty stomach. We've been emphasising the importance of good nutrition for antiretroviral treatment as well.
Secondly, we also support the hon member Rajbally and would like to encourage all South Africans to know their status by having themselves tested because only if government has accurate statistics will we be able to respond appropriately.