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  • PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (Thursday, 24 May 2012)

Alleged Corruption By Anc Members (Minister's Response)

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  • (narrative) 24 May 2012 hansard
    USEKELA NGQONGQOSHE WEZOKUTHUTHUKISWA KOMPHAKATHI: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo. Kwilungu elihloniphekile le-Cope, uBaba uKganare, kuyaphazamisa ukuthi uzwe ilungu elihloniphekile lenza sengathi i-Cope yiyona elwa nokukhwabanisa. Kuyaziwa-ke ukuthi i-ANC yiyona ngokwayo elwa nokukhwabanisa kuleli lizwe. Iphumele obala lapho kubonakala khona ukukhwabanisa. Sithi-ke umnyango uvulekile ukuthi sinikezwe imininingwane nakule ndaba yokukhwabanisa akhuluma ngayo uMnu uKganare, hhayi inzwabethi. Ngiyakholwa-ke ukuthi uzoyidlulisela eMnyangweni ofanele imininingwane ukuze sibone ukuthi kuyiqiniso yini loku okhuluma ngakho.
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    Siyafisa belu ukuthi uma sikhuluma izinto ezifana nalezi, sizihlole nathi ukuthi ngaphambilini ekuphatheni kwethu sashiya senzeni emuva kwethu. (Translation of isiZulu paragraphs follows.)
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    [The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT: Thank you, Chairperson. To the hon member of Cope, Mr Kganare, I find it disturbing that you are implying that your party is the one fighting corruption. It is common knowledge that it is the ANC itself that is fighting corruption in this country. It has made its standpoint regarding corruption very clear. The department is prepared to be provided with detailed information regarding the corruption allegations brought forward by Mr Kganare. We cannot entertain rumours. I hope that you are going to submit the details to the relevant department.
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    Before making allegations like these, we wish that everyone would first reflect on their previous tenure in office and the reputation they established.]
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  • Mr D A Kganare hansard

    The hon Deputy Minister is insinuating that the fact that we are talking about ... [Interjections.] I have not finished.

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    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Could you just finish, hon member.

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  • Mr D A Kganare hansard

    My point of order is: Is it parliamentary for the Deputy Minister to insinuate that the fact that I am raising the issue of corruption means that I committed corruption when I was in the same position?

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    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Hon member, this insinuation that you are talking about is neither here nor there. So, I am not allowing that point of order.

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    Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    You covered me. He must never attribute his thoughts to the Minister's mind.

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    The ministerial responses are over. Could we please get on with the work of this House. That concludes ... [Interjections.]

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    Madam Speaker ... Madam Speaker, on a point of order: this is the third time in as many months that I have to address the Chair on the glaring absence of Ministers in these sections of statements. [Interjections.] They can shout as much as they like. The fact of the matter is that the Ministers are disregarding Parliament, where they should be. [Interjections.]

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  • Picture of Phumelele Stone Sizani
    Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    Point of order! Point of order!

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  • Picture of Armiston Watson
    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    The Chief Whip of the Majority Party cannot take a point of order while I am giving ...

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  • Picture of Phumelele Stone Sizani
    Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    Point of order!

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    Madam Speaker, on two occasions I have raised a point of order on this, and I was promised that the matter would be attended to. It is a shame for South Africa that the Ministers have so little respect for Parliament. [Interjections.]

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    Chief Whip Of The Majority Party hansard

    Hon House Chairperson, the hon Watson is a member of the Chief Whips' Forum. He has a place where he can find out why Ministers are absent. We cannot use this forum to do that. [Interjections.]

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    House Chairperson, if the Chief Whip took the trouble to attend Chief Whips' Forums, maybe I could ask him.

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Alright, could we get on with the business of the House. The Secretary will read the First Order of the Day.

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    Madam Chairperson, I apologise for interrupting the Table, but I raised a point of order which you have not replied to yet.

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    I suggest you look at Rule 105/6. Look at that Rule. You ought to know that Rule because you are Chief Whip of that party.

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    With all due respect, Madam, that is not a ruling. To tell me to read a Rule is not a ruling. Would you please make a ruling.

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    Adv T M Masutha hansard

    Chairperson, I think that the hon member does not understand English. In simple English all this means is that you do not have a point of order. [Interjections.] Full stop! There is no ruling to be made.

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    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Mr Watson ...

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  • An Hon Member hansard

    "Hon" Watson.

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    The hon Watson, the hon Watson - double hon Watson - I will not take that point of order. Shall we continue.

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  • Picture of Armiston Watson
    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    Could you please explain to me why you do not take it, Madam?

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Look, we have ... [Interjections.] Because there are various reasons why Ministers are not here. Do you understand that? [Interjections.]

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    No, no ...

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    We've had this before.

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    Madam Chair, I did not ask ... [Interjections.]

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    You have been here since 1994. Why are you trying to make a mess of this session of Parliament? Why are you trying ... [Interjections.]

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    I am tempted to say something, but I will not. Could I just ... [Interjections.]

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    You know very well what is happening here. You know very well that the Diaspora Congress is going on. All of those things! So why are you inhibiting the work of the Chamber? [Interjections.]

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    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    Madam Chair, with all respect due to you, I did not ask you anything to enter into a debate with you.

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Yes, you are.

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  • Picture of Armiston Watson
    Chief Whip Of The Opposition hansard

    I asked for a ruling. [Interjections.]

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  • Picture of Fatima Hajaig
    House Chairperson (Mrs F Hajaig) hansard

    Will you please sit down. [Interjections.] Carry on! If you like to sing, sing.

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