I'm rising on a point of order. You need to address this ma'am. As a matter of fact, the ANC is the main looter of the VBS ... [Interjections.] ... but none of you are mentioning it. You are mentioning innocent people here. [Interjections.] Your Stratcom people continue to mention innocent people here. [Interjections.] The ANC looted the VBS. [Interjections.]