Minister, I think one would suggest that we should avoid obviously becoming a nanny state, especially given the severe economic growth challenges we have. Would you agree that if we didn't offer social grants to the poorest of the poor, we would reduce them to a subhuman existence and we would essentially be an uncivilised society? Related to that, what is your response to the view that the question itself is inherently contradictory? On the one hand it speaks about the social problems, and then concludes by saying - therefore, we should have a welfare state. Is that not internally contradictory, because a welfare state partly seeks to attend to social problems and reduces them? And related to that, what is your response to the view? There is nothing wrong with the modest temperate welfare state that is related to our economic growth capacity. Social democracy has after all survived for a very long time. We need to adapt to our circumstances, and have our South African version social democracy. What is wrong with the welfare state in those circumstances?