Through you hon House Chair, Mr Minister, we appreciate the broad base of consultancy that you collaborate with in the fight against gangsterism in our centres. I just wish to ask, whether the families, that is parents and the relatives of the offenders are also consulted because they are affected in two different ways. Firstly, it's the relatives and parents in the main who provide the offenders with cell phones, drugs, money, etc.
Secondly, the offenders will phone the parents about the victims asking the parents to pay ransom ... [Interjections.]