Chairperson, hon Minister, it is an accepted fact that many municipalities derive most of their funding through electricity sales. In fact, this creates perverse incentives to push for energy efficiency within the municipalities if it is a threat to their revenue base. We also recognise the fact that there is a R40 billion backlog in electricity distribution and the maintenance network in the country. Is this conference going to address that particular issue because it feeds into the issue around how the municipalities are funded, and how we change that formula particularly in terms of taking away the perverse incentives around the energy inefficiency? Thank you.