[The MINISTER OF WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES: Hon Speaker, I also want to respond to Mrs Van der Merwe. We would like to know; where the women are, who were empowered by the IFP, because we don't see them here? We, as the ANC, know that we have supported women when they formed organisations known as co-operatives. We have women like Mrs Zondi in KwaZulu-Natal, who now train other women as a result of the support they are getting from Minister Nkwinti. They are now exporting their goods to the whole world. [Applause.]