Chairperson, I wish to refer to the Budget Vote debate on Justice that took place on 29 May in which we raised, once again, the question of 383 applications for presidential pardons. This is as a result of what the Human Rights Commission found, namely that the Minister had violated the human rights of those people.

But the Deputy Minister said in the debate - now the Human Rights Commission has never taken a decision on this matter and has not placed a single report before the Minister - "all we have is a one-and-a-half-page letter from a junior official in that unit".

Madam Chairperson, this is absolute nonsense and it is not true. The truth is totally different. The Human Rights Commission has confirmed to us once again today that the decision was in fact a decision by the commission. And that, secondly, where the Deputy Minister says there was only a one-pager from a junior, I have numerous letters in my hand that Jodi Kollapen, the chairperson, has written to the Minister. This means that the hon Deputy Minister has ...