Deputy Speaker, the hon Bloem is absolutely correct. On a visit to Malmesbury Correctional Centre in June last year I observed four workshops that could have been used to rehabilitate inmates standing completely empty, and the reason for them standing empty was that the artisans who used to train the inmates had all left the service. Apparently some six to eight officials leave that facility every month, mainly to go and run prisons in New Zealand.
Now, what steps is the Minister taking to stop our people from leaving to go and run prisons in New Zealand, and what steps is the Minister taking to employ artisans as part of an outreach or partnership with other institutions in the private sector to fill these gaps on a temporary basis?