Hon member, remember that I have said that we are trying to address these together with Treasury and with the Department of Public Service and Administration. I'll tell you why I said Treasury; because we do produce some of the stuff in the workshops, and it's quite beautiful stuff that offenders produce, but we cannot just sell it on the open market. [Interjections.] He has his Constitution, looking at me. I've been pleading with them that some of the money that we get ... Quite rightly, Treasury says we should give it to them. [Interjections.] Exactly! It goes back. So I'm trying to ask if we can't retain that so that we can increase the salaries of these artisans.
There is a difference - you are right - between tutors and artisans. We still have the tutors as well, and we're battling in that regard too, but the more pressure we can put on Treasury, and a little bit of pressure on Labour, because Labour also ... [Interjections.] I'll sit on you! [Laughter.] I will sit on you. I'm bigger than you!