Hon Deputy Speaker, please, we are speaking in the best interests of the spirit of the Rules. We must not be vilified when we ask hon members to stick to the Rules, including you, hon Deputy Speaker. It is not wrong.
By the way, a ruling was made last time. A ruling was made that that was wrong. Therefore, you cannot change it today just because you are afraid to say Deputy Ministers must be supervised. Deputy Ministers must sit down. It is not wrong to say that when their bosses are here, they must keep quiet. They must not speak.