I want you to hear clearly. [Interjections.]
With regard to the banning of labour brokers, the ANC, in arguing on this Bill, never mentioned the word "ban". The ANC said that labour brokers must exist, however, their responsibilities must be clarified, because they are not employing anyone except their receptionists, if they do have offices, or those who work at their car-boot sales - those are labour brokers. We asked if anyone could convince us, and no one did that, because they can't and they will just tell us about democratisation. [Interjections.]
Cope spoke about Buti here, who is a leader of the communist party ... [Interjections.]