Speaker, ek wil begin deur vir die ANC te s dat hierdie hele Gupta-aangeleentheid nie net 'n verleentheid vir die ANC is nie; dis 'n verleentheid vir elke Suid-Afrikaanse burger.
Agb Minister, as u s die verslag s dat nie een Minister geweet het van die landing van die Guptas nie, s die verslag eintlik dat hierdie vyf Ministers wie se departemente betrokke was 'n sekerheidsbreuk veroorsaak het in Suid-Afrika en dat hulle aanspreeklik en verantwoordelik is. Dit beteken dat vyf Ministers van Suid-Afrika nie genoegsame prosedures in plek het om te verseker dat 'n sekerheidsbreuk nie plaasvind nie. Dit lyk vir my Suid-Afrika het bewustelose Ministers, agb Minister. Dit is tyd dat daar objektief wakkergeskrik word.
Dan wil ek vir u vra: Dink u regtig dat 'n direkteur-generaal wat deur 'n Minister aangestel word en wat dan die ondersoek doen, sal verklaar dat sy of haar Minister eintlik betrokke was en van hierdie ding geweet het? [Tussenwerpsels.] U is naef as u dink die mense van Suid-Afrika moet dit glo.
U s dat u sekerheid wil h. Ek wil vir die agb Minister - en al die ander Ministers - s dat as hulle sekerheid oor hierdie aangeleentheid wil h, hulle 'n regterlike kommissie van ondersoek moet aanstel wat objektief kan kyk of Ministers daarvoor aanspreeklik gehou kan word of nie. Ek is oortuig hulle sal.
Ek wil 'n ander aspek aanraak. Dit is die aspek van vriendskappe met mense en groepe wat geld het in Suid-Afrika. Almal weet die Guptas het baie geld. Inteendeel, die Guptas kom na Suid-Afrika toe na die hele debakel en s dat Suid-Afrika moet bly wees dat hulle di mense hierheen gebring het. Hoe arrogant kan jy wees? Wie is die Guptas om met soveel geld te kan kry wat hulle wil h, wanneer hulle wil en soos hulle wil? Ek wil vir u s dat u vuil is. Die ANC en die President bevuil hulself om met sulke mense bevriend te wees, want hulle is misdadigers. Hulle koop mense om. Dit is niks anders as bedrog wat hulle gebruik om toegang te verkry nie. [Tussenwerpsels.]
Dan wil ek s dat die DA nie skoon is nie. Hulle hande is ook vuil. [Tussenwerpsels.] Ek wil vandag vir u s as u leier, me Helen Zille, s sy gaan eet by Saxonwold die beste kos wat sy nog ooit geet het, maar sy weet nie sy kry geld van die Guptas nie, is u hande nie skoon nie. U moet kyk daarna. [Tussenwerpsels.]
Ek wil terugkom na u, dames en here. Mnr die Speaker, ek het 'n boodskap vir die President van Suid-Afrika, en ek wil ook vir die ANC s: Leer uit die verlede! Jackie Selebi het ges die bedrier en dwelmbaas Glenn Agliotti is sy vriend, "finish en klaar". Ek wil vir die ANC s, s vir die President as hy voortgaan met sy vriendskap met die Guptas, is hy "finish en klaar". Ek dank u. [Applous.] (Translation of Afrikaans speech follows.)
[Mr P J GROENEWALD: Speaker, I want to start by telling the ANC that this whole Gupta affair is not only an embarrassment for the ANC; it is an embarrassment for every South African citizen.
Hon Minister, when you say the report states that not one Minister knew about the arrival of the Guptas, the report is actually saying that these five Ministers whose departments were involved caused a security breach in South Africa, and that they are accountable and responsible. This means that five Ministers in South Africa do not have sufficient procedures in place to ensure that a security breach does not occur. Hon Minister, it seems to me that South Africa has unconscious Ministers. It is time for an objective wake-up call. Then I want to ask you: Do you really believe that a director-general, appointed by a Minister to conduct this inquiry, will declare that his or her Minister was actually involved and knew all about this matter? [Interjections.] You are nave if you think the people of South Africa must believe that.
You say that you want certainty. I want to tell the hon Minister - and all the other Ministers - that if they want certainty on this matter they should appoint a judicial commission of inquiry, which can investigate objectively whether Ministers can be held responsible for this or not. I am convinced they will.
I would like to touch on another aspect. That is the aspect of friendship with people and groups who have money in South Africa. Everybody knows that the Guptas have a lot of money. In fact, the Guptas have come to South Africa after this whole debacle and they have said that South Africa should be glad they brought their people here. How arrogant can one be? Who are the Guptas, with so much money, to get what they want, when they want it and as they want it? I want to tell you that you are dirty. The ANC and the President are dirtying themselves by being friends with such people, because they are criminals. They bribe people. It is nothing but fraud that they use to gain entry. [Interjections.]
Then I have to say that the DA is not clean. Their hands are dirty as well. [Interjections.] I am telling you today that if your leader, Ms Helen Zille, says she is going to eat the best meal ever at Saxonwold, but she is not aware that she is getting money from the Guptas, then your hands are not clean. You will have to look at that. [Interjections.]
I want to come back to you, ladies and gentlemen. Mr Speaker, I have a message for the President of South Africa, and I want to tell the ANC: Learn from the past! Jackie Selebi said that the fraud and drug kingpin Glenn Agliotti was his friend, "finish and klaar". I want to tell the ANC to tell the President that, if he should persist with his friendship with the Guptas, he is "finish and klaar". I thank you. [Applause.]]