The ID is lost and found.
People must not be hypocritical. Why have political parties not denied taking money from the Guptas, and how much is it? Politicians have also gone to the Guptas' residence and had dinner, I believe. Well, that's the nature of business. People all over the world try to develop contacts.
The DA leader also went there and had dinner. And do you know what? She had a delicious meal, she said. That does not mean anything. Parties raise money and parties do things to raise money. That does not automatically mean something is happening.
If there is evidence, that is another matter. No one ever suggested that the President picked up the phone and took a telephone call, or whispered to somebody. There is not a shred of evidence of that. This matter must be dealt with according to its merits, and the merits are that this kind of conduct is unacceptable and must be dealt with.
There are political parties seated here that have uttered worse things about the hon President's name, but they are exonerated. Yes, it is quite interesting to note that those will never come to Parliament for debate.
The MF supports the view of Gwede Mantashe that the President's personal relations with any persons outside Parliament are not for consumption in Parliament. That must be respected. [Applause.] There was far greater abuse of state power under the apartheid regime by white supremacists that really put the peace, security, stability and lives of our people in the intensive care unit.
Mahatma Gandhi once said that he would leave the windows of his home open so that the breeze of all the different cultures and religions flow through, but he would never be blown off his feet.
No form of negativity can bring a good man down. The fact is that the President did not exercise undue power. [Interjections.] True leaders are those who add value to ... [Interjections.] Can the DA sit down, please? [Interjections.]