You know, part of what we must avoid is deepening the chasms. At the moment there are issues that separate us. On Monday this week the Minister of Finance spoke about the issue and asked that we have an open mind. By this morning, the public broadcaster had committed the After 8 Debate to this kind of issue, so we are actually deepening the chasm. It's unhelpful. It's unhelpful, and I'm saying that the impact is felt in the lives of the poor and unemployed. That is a measure, and that's where, as Joe Stiglitz said, you actually begin to see and feel the lack of self-esteem.
There is nothing worse than for families not to have an income. That's the challenge. Leave aside everything else. The key issue that we must get our heads around is how we will respond to that challenge as a nation. If that is the approach, I think we have a starting point.
If we try to construct a divide, then I think we take collective responsibility for weakening the economy, but more importantly, for weakening the ability of poor families to get out of that deep, deep trough of poverty, and intergenerational poverty especially. Thank you.