Deputy Chairperson and the Deputy Minister of Police, what a fitting and correct appointment the President made with the Deputy Minister because she knows everything! [Applause.]
As Cope, we note these two Bills. It is very interesting, however, when you check these two Bills, that the Independent Police Investigative Directorate Bill deals with the conduct of the police. At the same time there was an amendment to the Criminal Procedure Act, which deals with the conduct of section 49(2). Here the Minister has three pillars: the secretariat, Ipid and the police. You tell a child to hit hard; you tell another child to put - what do you call it - a disciplinary action on that particular person.
Now the Minister also came back with the military ranks in order to give fuel to the police to shoot. At the same time here is the Bill - you are coming here with two very good Bills. What is the rationale for this? Will the Minister sit down and try to relay that when the police use the force, even though the Ipid is there, they should be sensitive when dealing with that? This is a very good Bill on the Ipid, but is there any capacity? I want to see the branch or unit at Jacobsdal helping people there on the ground.
At present, there are 197 000 or 200 000 police members. How many directorates are there to deal with the situation? How many secretariats are there? Some of the monitoring mechanisms have been removed from the Ipid, in order for them to come to the secretariat so that they can strengthen them just to fill posts there.
We don't want a federal state; we want a continuous chain of command from the national commissioner to the national Minister and down. The MEC cannot come with his or her own rules analysis and say, "Okay, he or she has done this or that". But I want to tell you this is a wonderful Bill.
Minister, what you can do is to line up the strategy about the budget - yes, I used to control the secretariat and give them the budget. She is right! But now, Deputy Chairperson, really, I am very moved by these two Bills.
Just check, when you go on to the implementation of this; we must try to sensitise or to have these things connected together so that we can move with them. I support the Bill as Cope. Thank you.