Hon Minister, there is something I have been struggling to understand. You have just mentioned that you don't have the exact number of land claims outstanding. If I look at the question that was asked by the hon Groenewald on the number of projects, land and hectares, this is the question we have been asking in the portfolio committee since last year. So, basically you don't know anything. You don't know how much land was transferred; you don't know how much it cost; and you don't know much is outstanding. But you know one thing. The thing that you do know is that the willing buyer, willing seller doesn't work.
So, hon Minister, can you please tell me - you yourself, sir - whether the departmental staff are inflating prices. Farmers ask for R3 000 per hectare. But when it comes to your office, the price is R30 000 per hectare. So, the price was inflated somewhere in between. What method did you use to establish that the willing buyer, willing seller is not working?