We will have to make sure that we then take money from other services to be able to fund the Eskom programmes. I believe that if we really care about the very people who voted for us to be in this House, we would be able to understand why it is important that we get sponsorships as well as loans for Eskom.
I also want to indicate here that it is important that we understand that the World Bank loan is not just any ordinary loan. It is also intended to make sure that we can have renewable energy, the clean technology we are talking about, so as to make sure that we diversify our energy mix, to ensure that we can desist from an overreliance on fossil fuel.
Regarding the issue that the hon member also raised about Eskom and Hitachi, I think it is important that we understand that Eskom was going to be carrying the responsibility for these contracts irrespective of the configuration of the consortiums that have the contracts to build the Medupi power station. But I also want to indicate that the ANC ... [Time expired.] [Applause.]