Chairperson, I am shocked by the answer of the hon Minister, because, for a period of about 15 years, government departments have been using consultants costing millions of rands. I've asked the Minister how many departments are using consultants and how much is being spent on it, and he said, "I don't know. There is no system in place." Minister, I suggest that you get consultants to do that for you. [Laughter.]
I think that millions of rands are being wasted because Ministers who are appointed are supposed to have the skills and the capacity to do that work themselves. The moment they are appointed to higher positions with big cars and big salaries, the first thing they do is get people to do the work for them and pay them millions. [Interjections.]
Chairperson, I look forward to the day that hon Minister can ask an intelligent question. I want to summarise by saying ... [Interjections.]