Chairperson, well it is quite interesting that you find that the ANC and the other side of the House are really ensuring that we narrow the gap in terms of seeing things. We are seeing things in a similar way, which I highly appreciate. It means people are actually beginning to learn the lesson of rising above petty party politics and are focusing on important issues. [Laughter.]
In that respect, we agree with hon Smith in saying that there is no need for people to spend money to pay lawyers for them to be able to recoup what belongs to them, which is owed by the departments. Now, we are looking at the debt, we will know by December this year, who owes whom, in relation to government and municipalities.
On the basis of that, it is clear that when government owes, they must pay, there's no compromise on that, it has to be done, because if we have to support municipalities, the first thing that you do is you support them financially, particularly on what belongs to them. Therefore, in that regard, hon Smith, once information is available and processed by Cabinet, you will be informed. We will also forward it to Parliament. Thank you.