Chairperson, well, on the issues of the Department of Public Works playing its rightful role in ensuring that responsibilities are being executed in the payment, we can't say with confidence and conviction that we'll be able to ask the department to do so, because we ourselves don't even understand the extent of the departmental debt owed to municipalities.
Once that has been done, we will be able to interact with all government departments affected not only at national level, but also in provinces to ensure that, as part of section 154 of the Constitution that talks about supporting municipalities, what has been done in practice, has been done in word.
Therefore, in that respect, hon member, we will be able to take up the issues. We will be able to ensure that all those responsible play their part, because we believe that the support to municipalities is something that has to be done and has to be taken very seriously by all. Thank you. [Applause.]