The person next to Ma Njobe - I've forgotten the name - allow me to talk. Just wait, then you can ask a follow- up question, right? [Interjections.] Kohler-Barnard, honourable, just be honourable.
Now, Mr Selfe, the other thing that I wanted to say to you is that I thought you and I know that there are parole officers responsible for each one of the parolees, and unfortunately for you and me, I have not received a letter from a parole officer suggesting that there is a case for Mr Shaik to answer. Now I cannot base my actions purely on what I read in the media. I have to be given information.
Maybe as part of your oversight function you should actually call the parole officer to account. What I do have, is a file that contains information about communications between Mr Shaik and the parole officer on occasions where he has requested to be released to go out of his premises. [Interjections.] Kohler? Now I really cannot be expected to act on the basis of media reports, with due respect. Thank you. [Applause.]